Do ACA mandates violate rights or liberties or discriminate

RE: insurance mandates argued as "good economy" and thus justifiable as federal interest:
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1. Spiritual healing works, is free and natural safe and consistent with science and medicine. People "refuse to look at it" but keep confusing it with fraudulent faith healing which doesn't work, rejects medicine and is dangerous and nothing alike.

Does that mean this can be imposed anyway. Because ppl "refuse to look at" a solution that is effective and free, which can be proven by science to cure causes of cancer, addiction, abuse, mental physical and criminal illness, things like schizophrenia or rheumatoid arthritis that cannot be cured by medicine alone but have been cured by spiritual healing.

2. Overall forgiving and healing relations, body mind and spirit through Christianity is GOOD for public health, would reduce crime from abuse or addiction so prison resourcescan be saved and redirected to preventative health care, education, and corrective treatment to serve more ppl cost effectively.

But Mac1958 just because this is GOOD for the economy, public health and security does not mean govt has authority to mandate it.

We could mandate that everyone has to work to support their children or dont have them. We could mandate no sex without going through health screening for diseases first.

Are you going to require that everyone who has kids pay into a fund in advance to make sure their education, health care, housing and costs to the public are paid for so there are no freeloaders living off govt?

There is a Constitutional limit on what FEDERAL govt can legislate or not.

Just because YOU BELIEVE it is good does not mean it is in the Constitution. So far you only convince me its a right under FREE EXERCISE of religion to BELIEVe this should be mandatory. So yes, you have the right to pay for health care mandates as your right to exercise your beliefs, but not force on others who can pay for health other ways that dont violate anyones rights. Just like the prolife have their beliefs they would rather pay for, but cant impose by law. Nowhere in the Constotution can you show me that the right to health care as a belief is no more or less protected under law than the right to life. These are BOTH BELIEFS that cannot be legislated by federal govt in violation of the free choice and equal BELIEFS of others. Thats why prochoice cannot be overruled by imposing prolife by laws, because prolife is faith based and so is right to health care. Beliefs remain free choice of individuals by the First Amendment, cannot be mandated by Congress or federal govt, and are equally protected by the Fourteenth Amendment and Civil Rights act. Sorry but you Obama Pelosi and Roberts are wrong to pass this off as Constitutional without a Constitutional Amendment or agreement.
The federal govt has no authority by the Constitution to establish one belief over another by exempting one from taxes while penalizing another, which is discriminating by creed.



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Well, as a guy who is as greedy as anyone else, seems to me that...

... a healthier populace is good economics
... universal preventive & diagnostic services to prevent and/or mitigate long term health issues is good economics
... taking the preposterous health care cost monkey off the backs of American corporations is good economics
... relieving insurers of the massive administration of the more basic forms of care is good economics
... maintaining a competitive and innovative market environment (as we have now with Medicare Supplements and Medicare Advantage) is good economics

Is anyone going to disagree with the above?

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage chassis is already in place and it works.

We currently have six (6) different health care payment systems:

Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Group Health Insurance
Individual Health Insurance
Indigent Coverage

Is this not absurd? Really?

A very good system is in place. The ACA was a terribly wasted opportunity by the Democrats, and the GOP refuses to look at what already WORKS.